That is no different than the Communists in Mexico telling the Mexicans that most of the US was settled by the Mexicans and we stole the US from them.
History and Truth have nothing to do with the “facts” the miscreants feed the “cannon fodder” (the miscreants name for anyone they can sucker in and use to cause conflicts).
Unfortunately the lie feels better than the truth and therefore the lie prevails and the people get slaughtered.
People seem to forget that the creed of the miscreants is “Order out of chaos” and they just seem to “forget” to tell the people what their definition of “order” is.
I wonder what ignorant simpletons such as Harry Reid et al think their reward will be if the miscreants win. I will give them a clue. Their reward is measured in grains (IF they are “lucky”) but the result will be the same no matter what “technique” is used to eliminate “useful idiots”.
Posted by JohnMinn on 04/09 at 06:54 AM | #
To John Daly
Thank you for your reply.
"As far as I know, there is no formal record of the content of the discussions of the Executive Board other than the report of its recommendations."
Yet the report of its recommendations contains the following statement:
"After considering this item, the Executive Board adopted the following decision, by a vote taken by roll-call, with 40 votes in favour, 4 votes against and 14 abstentions, the United States of America voting against; details of the vote are annexed to the summary record of the sixth plenary meeting of the session."
There is obviously a document called "the summary record of the sixth plenary meeting of the session"
Would you be able to access that document?
It is clear that the Executive Board considered Article II Paragraph 2 before the vote was taken by the Board to recommend Palestine's admission as a member state.
The summary record of the sixth plenary meeting of the session could well contain the basis and the reasons for the Board concluding that Palestine was a state entitling its application to go forward to the General Conference for its decision.
I hope you will be able to help out in locating this document. UNESCO has certainly refused to produce it to me.
Posted by david singer on 04/08 at 08:11 PM | #
I do not now nor have I ever had a formal relation with UNESCO. I do support its mission and follow the organization closely in the media.
I posted resources previously that I have easily found on the Internet. As far as I know, there is no formal record of the content of the discussions of the Executive Board other than the report of its recommendations.
I do have some experience with international organizations and with the U.S. Government's processes for making decisions. Based on that experience, I assume that governmental representatives voting at the UNESCO Executive Board and/or the UNESCO General Conference do so on the basis of their government's explicit directions.
If the discussions at the Executive Board cause a permanent representative to oppose the instructions of his/her government, and those instructions can not be changed, then the permanent representative resigns. Apparently four permanent representatives resigned in 2009 rather than accept the instructions on voting for candidates for Director General.
The vote of the General Conference was 107 for Palestinian membership, 14 opposed, and 52 abstentions. Most of the member nations of the United Nations system recognize Palestine as a state. I assume that the majority of the member states voting fully understood that acceptance of Palestine as a member state would result in the United States withholding funds from UNESCO. The 107 votes in favor of Palestinian membership must have been from governments who accepted the arguments and inducements for membership rather than those in opposition to membership. They were probably willing to accept the loss of funding to achieve other purposes.
Incidentally, decisions of this kind in United Nations agencies are usually reached by consensus. The fact that there was a formal recorded vote is probably indicative of the controversial nature of the decision, as is the formal abstention of 52 member states from the vote.
Posted by John Daly on 04/08 at 02:47 PM | #
The world changed on 31 October 2011 when Palestine became a member state of UNESCO.
Not one of the 194 member seems remotely interested in having the decision to admit Palestine judicially reviewed - even though there are strong grounds for concluding that the decision was unconstitutional.
Palestine is a state - just as those other members are states.
Posted by david singer on 04/08 at 12:53 AM | #
To John Daly
Thank you for making available the Recommendation of UNESCO's Executive Board to admit Palestine to UNESCO.
Regrettably you did not publish that recommendation in full - which raises the further following questions that need answering.
I ask you:
1.On what basis did the Executive Committee conclude that Palestine was a state that entitled it to qualify for membership under Article II Paragraph (2)?
2. The resolution makes it clear the issue in 1 above was considered by the Executive Board before the Board's vote to recommend Palestine's admission was taken.
Are the details of that discussion recorded in the summary record of the sixth plenary meeting of the session?
3. Could you make available a copy of the summary record of the sixth plenary meeting AND also any minutes, legal opinions,position papers or other documents prepared for the Executive Board in relation to substantiating that Palestine was a State entitled to be admitted to UNESCO?
4. It appears that Palestine had been applying annually since 1989 and had been knocked back every time. What different facts or circumstances now existed to change the Executive Board's position in 2011?
I would imagine that you must have some connection with UNESCO because of your knowledge and the information you have provided so far.
If so - I welcome UNESCO deciding to break its continuing and frustrating silence.
But UNESCO must be transparent and not seek to exclude any relevant information that justified the Executive Board
1. Accepting that Palestine was a state entitled to qualify and apply for membership of UNESCO
2. Voting on Palestine's application after the Executive Committee found the application complied with Article II Paragraph 2.
This may all seem very petty and boring - but the reality is that:
1. $260 million is at risk in UNESCO funding until 2013 because of these decisions.
2. A sea change in the Jewish-Arab conflict could well be the result of Palestine remaining a member state of UNESCO.
I would have preferred - and indeed tried - to have these issues vented privately with UNESCO but it chose to remain silent.
If you wish to discuss these issues privately - rather than in Canada Free Press - then I am happy to do so if you contact me through my email - firstname.lastname@example.org.
Posted by david singer on 04/08 at 12:43 AM | #
Palestine is a region, not a state. Just like the Sahara is a region, and Siberia is a region, Palestine has never been a separate nation, and Jerusalem has never been the capital of any nation other than Israel.
Likewise, there is no such thing as the Palestinian people. They're just arabs, like all the other arabs, in that they share a common culture, a common religion, a common cuisine and a common language.
Since there has never been a nation called Palestine, Israel cannot possibly be said to be occupying Palestinian land. Israel didn't attack the nation of Palestine, Israel was attacked by 5 arab nations intent on destroying her, and in defeating them, Israel conquered certain territories that had belonged to Egypt and Jordan. They now belong to Israel by right of conquest, in the same way that Texas and California belong to the U.S.
The majority of the arabs that now live in those conquered areas are not even indigenous to the region. It was only after the Israelis converted the desert and swamp areas to fertile and prosperous land that those arabs moved there. Those arabs are free to live there. They're free to practice their religion there, and they're even free to take part in the government there as evidenced by the fact that there are many arab members of the Israeli parliament, the Knesset. Jews living in Arab states however are afforded none of those privileges.
Israel never stole any land from anyone. After the formation of modern Israel, the Jews who emigrated there purchased all of the land from the Arabs, that they're now claiming was stolen. The arabs were happy to sell the land at what they considered high prices back then, but after the Jews turned that desolate wasteland into a Garden of Eden producing oranges the size of basketballs the arabs decided that they had gotten robbed.
What actually happened was that these cowards, who fancied themselves great warriors, but who now hide behind women and children, were humiliated by the Jews when they lost the war, and then, humiliated again when the Jews showed the rest of the world what could be done with that land that the arabs had just sat on in their tents with their goats for so long.
Ever since then they've been attacking the Israelis while claiming to be their victims. In truth, the only thing that they're victims of is their own primitive & barbaric culture and religion. There is no solution to this age old conflict that the arabs will accept that allows for the continued existence of the State of Israel.
Posted by Swemson on 04/07 at 11:07 PM | #
According to Wikipedia, as of January of this year "130 (67.4%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine."
Posted by John Daly on 04/07 at 02:20 PM | #
Palestine has never been a nation, never, ever. Its been nothing more than a donkey pooping station for travels between Turkey and Egypt. But as a nation, no Arab group has ever once recognized it other than a place of degenerate tribesman wandering around.
Posted by Less1leg on 04/07 at 12:47 PM | #
Palestine Is A State - Fact or Fiction?
Posted by David Singer on Apr 6, 2012 at 08:19 AM
Tibetans, Kurds, Basques and the Corsicans should now all apply to join UNESCO - using Palestine as the precedent - confident in the knowledge that if UNESCO can miraculously turn fiction into fact by recognizing "Palestine" as a "State"
Recognition of the existence of Palestine as a State was ostensibly given the international imprimatur on 31 October 2011 - when 107 countries voted to admit Palestine as the 195th member state of UNESCO.More...
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